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EagleOne
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by EagleOne » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:22 pm

Trueadvocate, in regard to this statement you made, and I quote:

"That's how you build the Ponzi Sandwinches Bitches" quoted Dr Ruja Ignatova. ( As posted by our beloved Tim Tayshun )…..I am absolutely sure he is only posting things that he has all evidences/Proof that Dr Ruja Ignatova actually made this statement! If the Court of Law requires him to give evidence under oath, he will swear to speak the complete truth and backed all his accusation with completely research and solid Proof!" you not only misstated what the caption said, it was also not a quote. The comment in Ruja's picture said, and I quote: "..AND THAT'S HOW YOU BUILD A PONZI SANDWICH, BITCHES."

I only quoted what the caption on the picture said, not that Ruja said it. But the most egregious part of your comment was that you stated you believed it to be a direct quote from Ruja, which it wasn't. There were no quotation marks around that statement. It was nothing more than a parody that anyone with an IQ above 60 knows it was and not a quote of Ruja's.

You are really aren't doing yourself any favors by misstating a statement that you were quoting, but you also claimed Tim was quoting Ruja when it was clearly evident he was not. Your blind hatred is getting the best of you. It is also hurting your credibility.

ElverGalarza
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by ElverGalarza » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:35 pm

SwissAndrew wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:58 pm
can a member of the OneCoin destroyer team answer this question:

why was the original 53 page indictment document against Konstantin reduced, on may 28, to the current 3 pages or so?
mainly harmless network irregularities and USA specific "wire fraud" charges, whatever that means https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 7.81.0.pdf

the original mountains of charges were similar to the invented garbage that TimT and co. spam around.
obviously, the DOJ realized that none of these bogus charges would stand up in court.
Hence, K pleaded not guilty, thus forcing a trial where the truth would be revealed
You might be mixing up complaints with indictments.

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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by SwissAndrew » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:34 am

so please enlighten me

EagleOne
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by EagleOne » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:11 am

SwissAndrew wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:34 am
so please enlighten me
Maybe this will help you:

Federal Criminal Complaints
A Criminal Complaint authorizes the charge and arrest of persons who are thought to have broken the law. The complaint is a document that lists the targets for arrest as well as a sworn affidavit from an agent that must demonstrate probable cause that the targets committed the offense. If the judge agrees, then he or she will sign the complaint, which will authorize the takedown/arrest.

Federal Criminal Indictment
An indictment is a document authorizing the charge and trial of persons who have been shown by probable cause to have broken the law. An indictment is a requirement in every felony case under the U.S. Constitution. Unlike a complaint, indictments are issued by grand jurors. A federal grand jury is a group of citizens who pass on multiple cases to determine if enough evidence exists for a case to go to court and, if necessary, trial. Federal grand juries comprise of between 16 and 23 people and each case must receive at least 12 votes establishing that probable cause exists that the target(s) committed a specific federal offense. If a defendant has not been arrested via complaint then the Indictment can act as an arrest warrant. Once in custody, the target will have the same arraignment and an initial appearance. Except if an indictment has been issued the defendant will no longer be allowed to challenge probable cause. Only identity and detention issues will remain.

A federal indictment is a determination by a federal grand jury that there is probable cause that the accused has committed a federal offense. Unlike a complaint, once an indictment comes down then a target may be held indefinitely for trial. Of course, there are speedy trial provisions that call for a trial setting within 45-60 days. Attorneys for both sides can request extension.

Once a case has been indicted, a significant opportunity for a lower charge is gone. Once a case has been indicted, prosecutors will generally move forward on the highest provable charge.

TimTayshun
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by TimTayshun » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:46 am

EagleOne wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:11 am
SwissAndrew wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:34 am
so please enlighten me
Maybe this will help you:

Federal Criminal Complaints
A Criminal Complaint authorizes the charge and arrest of persons who are thought to have broken the law. The complaint is a document that lists the targets for arrest as well as a sworn affidavit from an agent that must demonstrate probable cause that the targets committed the offense. If the judge agrees, then he or she will sign the complaint, which will authorize the takedown/arrest.

Federal Criminal Indictment
An indictment is a document authorizing the charge and trial of persons who have been shown by probable cause to have broken the law. An indictment is a requirement in every felony case under the U.S. Constitution. Unlike a complaint, indictments are issued by grand jurors. A federal grand jury is a group of citizens who pass on multiple cases to determine if enough evidence exists for a case to go to court and, if necessary, trial. Federal grand juries comprise of between 16 and 23 people and each case must receive at least 12 votes establishing that probable cause exists that the target(s) committed a specific federal offense. If a defendant has not been arrested via complaint then the Indictment can act as an arrest warrant. Once in custody, the target will have the same arraignment and an initial appearance. Except if an indictment has been issued the defendant will no longer be allowed to challenge probable cause. Only identity and detention issues will remain.

A federal indictment is a determination by a federal grand jury that there is probable cause that the accused has committed a federal offense. Unlike a complaint, once an indictment comes down then a target may be held indefinitely for trial. Of course, there are speedy trial provisions that call for a trial setting within 45-60 days. Attorneys for both sides can request extension.

Once a case has been indicted, a significant opportunity for a lower charge is gone. Once a case has been indicted, prosecutors will generally move forward on the highest provable charge.
Beautiful

EagleOne
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by EagleOne » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:39 am

SwissAndrew, let me make it even simpler. A complaint contains all the information used to present to a Grand Jury to substantiate that a law or laws have been broken for them to either deny indictment or issue an indictment.

The Indictment is the actual charge/charges of the law/laws broken and is the basis for the arrest and a trial scheduled.

Trueadvocate
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by Trueadvocate » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:07 am

EagleOne wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:22 pm
Trueadvocate, in regard to this statement you made, and I quote:

"That's how you build the Ponzi Sandwinches Bitches" quoted Dr Ruja Ignatova. ( As posted by our beloved Tim Tayshun )…..I am absolutely sure he is only posting things that he has all evidences/Proof that Dr Ruja Ignatova actually made this statement! If the Court of Law requires him to give evidence under oath, he will swear to speak the complete truth and backed all his accusation with completely research and solid Proof!" you not only misstated what the caption said, it was also not a quote. The comment in Ruja's picture said, and I quote: "..AND THAT'S HOW YOU BUILD A PONZI SANDWICH, BITCHES."

I only quoted what the caption on the picture said, not that Ruja said it. But the most egregious part of your comment was that you stated you believed it to be a direct quote from Ruja, which it wasn't. There were no quotation marks around that statement. It was nothing more than a parody that anyone with an IQ above 60 knows it was and not a quote of Ruja's.

You are really aren't doing yourself any favors by misstating a statement that you were quoting, but you also claimed Tim was quoting Ruja when it was clearly evident he was not. Your blind hatred is getting the best of you. It is also hurting your credibility.
:mrgreen: Opinion is like an arsehole. Everyone one has one." Of course your opinion counts more Lol :lol:

TimTayshun
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by TimTayshun » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:13 am

isn't your village out looking for you yet?

SwissAndrew
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by SwissAndrew » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:14 am

EagleOne wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:39 am
SwissAndrew, let me make it even simpler. A complaint contains all the information used to present to a Grand Jury to substantiate that a law or laws have been broken for them to either deny indictment or issue an indictment.

The Indictment is the actual charge/charges of the law/laws broken and is the basis for the arrest and a trial scheduled.
so let`s reduce this to the basics -
the flood of bogus accusations ended up with one simple indictment of wire fraud,
which has yet to be proved

TimTayshun
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by TimTayshun » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:50 am

SwissAndrew wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:14 am
so let`s reduce this to the basics -
the flood of bogus accusations ended up with one simple indictment of wire fraud,
which has yet to be proved
You make it sound so "cute" ;)


Federal Wire Fraud

Under 18 U.S.C. § 1349, the federal crime of Wire Fraud is committed when a person causes the use of wired communications as part of a scheme to defraud involving a material deception with the intent to deprive another of money, property, or honest services.

Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud (Konman's charges)

Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud occurs when two or more people work together to defraud another person of money, property, or honest services and interstate wired communications are used in furtherance of the scheme.

Importantly, Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud can, and usually is, charged against minor participants in the scheme to defraud.

The government charges minor participants with Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud because under 18 U.S.C. § 1349, the penalties for Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud are the same as actual Wire Fraud, which results in minor participants cutting deals to testify against major participants in order to avoid the severe penalties Wire Fraud carries.

Penalties for Wire Fraud

Under federal law, the crime of Wire Fraud is a Class C felony, punishable by up to twenty years in prison, three years of supervised release, and $250,000 in fines. Additionally, *complete restitution* will be ordered and any property obtained from the proceeds of the offense will be confiscated.


*that's $4,600,000,000 for anyone keeping score!

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