The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by Tzar » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:39 am

EagleOne wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:40 am
ngkinyuen wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:27 am
What happen to update of the German led investigation to Onecoin office in Sofia?
Absolutely nothing real after Konstantin promising more than 6 weeks ago he was going to post proof the Investigators found nothing wrong. All that happened was a paid for advertising puff piece on an obscure website with zero proof of anything that claimed OC was exonerated of all wrong doing.
You are so blinded by your hate for ONE that you cannot see beyond your nose.

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by Igorkrnic » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:00 am

EagleOne wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:40 am
All that happened was a paid for advertising puff piece on an obscure website with zero proof of anything that claimed OC was exonerated of all wrong doing. [/color][/b]
Most anti-onecoin articles are paid for and for sure all are without any proof, just some claims.
As for Germans, report was given to them, by now they should close it, but seems like no one wants to eat a boot and make it official that they were fucked in the brain by anarchists. IMO

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by Igorkrnic » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:29 am

OneCoin Tycoon wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:53 am
Hi Igor, what you say about this news!!!

https://cointelegraph.com/news/unpackin ... ency-scams
You call this news?
Let's see what kind of news this is, at least when it comes to Onecoin:

OneCoin has been the subject of a number of investigations over the past 18 months. Officially labelled as a ‘clear ponzi scheme’ in India in July 2017, it was fined €2.5 mln by Italian authorities two months later.
It is true that there were investigations in various countries, not just 18 months but in 3 years. All were started not because of the company activity but by huge organized anonymous accusations (probably by bitcoin community) in many countries in europe so authorities had to check what is going on. No single investigation ended up deeming the company onecoin illegal.
India did not deem onecoin as a ponzi, there is no official proof of that, only some tabloid magazine article that even miss spelled dr rJua name inaccurately stating that there is arrest warrant for here there which is fake. India problem was made solely by several IMA not following Onecoin company rules and made profit promises to people and were arrested for that which is fine, also Onecoin company froze their accounts.
Also the same happened in 2015 in Italy where some IMA leaders made hard rule breaks producing very wrong marketing material and promising people to get rich ending up with a fine and Onecoin ban in Italy but author fails to educate that in February, Italian authority removed ban and a fine so Onecoin is open in Italy again.

Cointelegraph has previously warned readers to stay clear of the operation, as OneCoin does not even operate a legitimate decentralized cryptocurrency. Furthermore it does not have a public ledger and its Bulgarian offices were raided in January with servers seized by authorities as international investigations and court cases continue against the company.
Cointelegraph did not warn anyone of anything, those articles were paid articles and made by anarchists, crypto purists that give themselves the right to say cryptocurrency can only be decentralized and anonymous. I suppose they will also warn people when banks or governments start issuing their own centralized coins? I think people should decide if they accept some coin as centralized. Others can only have opinions.
Also, Bulgaria/Germany investigation was a media hype, there was no raid, they announced themselves, they were greeted by the company in Sofia and all employees were questioned. Servers were taken to extract all the data to check allegation and were returned.
The investigation report was made, stating no evidence of allegations were found, and also there is a blockchein making all those who say opposite clowns with opinion. But all this is not yet official. I wonder how will authorities eat the boot and make it official and admit how government resources were abused by anarchists to harm a company with a vision that might actually make huge impact on crypto regulations if successful.

In 2016, over $30 mln dollars were seized by Chinese authorities investigating the OneCoin operation in the country.
It is a lie that $30 mln in China has anything to do with Onecoin. That money was seized from people who made several scams and they also used Onecoin as scam. It is not hard to use onecoin as scam. You just go and promise people how they will get rich, and find enough greedy brainless people and you will take their money. In china, scam was so big that most people didn't even get any of the packages. So is Onecoin scam because some people use their momentum and great vision? Is Bitcoin a scam because Bolivia government arrested 60 people for using Bitcoin as a pyramid scam? Is BItcoin scam because recently Japan arrested 12 people for using bitcoin/fiat scam? Get a grip people.
The company claimed to be officially licensed in Vietnam last year as well, but this was later refuted by the country’s government. More than five countries have warned investors of the risks involved for those choosing to invest in the company, including Thailand, Croatia, Bulgaria, Finland and Norway.
Licence in Vietnam did not come from the company, it came from some idiot IMA. There is a big difference. Onecoin main curse is that they chosen MLM for initial offering attracting many scammers and was slowly clearing them over time followed by huge anti propaganda that twists events intentionally or by ignorance.
As for warnings, this it the most awful and monkey brain argument bitcoiners can make cause those are standard warning most central banks made to their sheeple not just for Onecoin but also for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. In some countries, warnings first state Bitcoin and then Onecoin.


IMO, Onecoin and Onelife are stronger than this kind of Tim Tayshun parroting crap.

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by EagleOne » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:31 pm

Tzar wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:39 am
EagleOne wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:40 am
ngkinyuen wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:27 am
What happen to update of the German led investigation to Onecoin office in Sofia?
Absolutely nothing real after Konstantin promising more than 6 weeks ago he was going to post proof the Investigators found nothing wrong. All that happened was a paid for advertising puff piece on an obscure website with zero proof of anything that claimed OC was exonerated of all wrong doing.
You are so blinded by your hate for ONE that you cannot see beyond your nose.
Really? Did Konstantin say that he was going to announce the findings of the Investigators with proof back in early March? Yes he did. Did he post such information with proof? No. Was there a PR piece paid for by OC and posted on an obscure blog claiming that the Investigators found nothing? Yes there was. So how was I blinded by OC so I couldn't see my nose?

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by EagleOne » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:33 pm

There is only one announcement that will be made as to the fate of OC that has any legality, and that will come from the Prosecutor who is leading the multi-national investigation.

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by Igorkrnic » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:18 pm

EagleOne wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:31 pm
Did Konstantin say that he was going to announce the findings of the Investigators with proof back in early March? Yes he did. Did he post such information with proof? No. [/color][/b]
Not true. What he said was on the closed GLG event, he shared what lawyers were able to tell him and the people on top. That report was made, that blockchain was verified, that there were no proofs of allegations. BUT, none of that was an official statement by the company.
In fact, he did always say the company must not run before the car, to provoke authorities, let them do their job and finish this.

Which leads me to:


EagleOne wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:33 pm
There is only one announcement that will be made as to the fate of OC that has any legality, and that will come from the Prosecutor who is leading the multi-national investigation.
This is very correct. We can all say this and that, but at the end, prosecutors will have the last word.

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by OneCoinTruth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:01 pm

Igorkrnic wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:29 am
It is true that there were investigations in various countries, not just 18 months but in 3 years. All were started not because of the company activity but by huge organized anonymous accusations (probably by bitcoin community) in many countries in europe so authorities had to check what is going on. No single investigation ended up deeming the company onecoin illegal.
Do we have a list somewhere of these investigations against the company (not IMAs) which have ended and concluded there's nothing illegal?

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by Igorkrnic » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Most of them are listed here along with central bank warnings:

WARNINGS Explained and Debunked

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by OneCoinTruth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:04 pm

Hmm. I see warnings mostly. Can you give me an example of an investigation against the company which has ended and concluded something?
I tried to find one for my own purposes, but really couldn't find a good example.
I know there are investigations going on at least in UK, Sweden and Italy, in addition to this German investigation. But I can't find any reports or information that those investigations have ended.
Then there's the Finland 2015 investigation, but to my surprise the problem with that one is, the document describes they actually didn't even start an investigation in the first place!
Translation from the document: "There are no preconditions for starting a preliminary investigation with the current information."

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Re: The CROSS ROADS - To be or not to be - German Investigation

Post by Igorkrnic » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:08 pm

No there is no data about investigations cause there was never any proof of allegations.

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