Real value of onecoin

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TimTayshun
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by TimTayshun » Thu May 16, 2019 2:06 am

Re: Real value of onecoin
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Post by SwissAndrew » Thu May 16, 2019 12:34 am

@justice4all
can`t you see what is going on with this deranged group of lunatics ??

every comment a normal member makes is answered by pages and pages and pages and pages...........
of already prepared cut and paste vomit - so as to clog up the forum and destroy any real dialogue by others

they do this as a group - it is all a coordinated attack, desparately trying to destroy confidence in OC

there is no doubt, OC will succeed wonderfully

Go ahead and start the dialogue then.
Begin with Ruja's HISTORY and the HISTORY of Onecoin, which you avoided commenting on:

TimTayshun wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:58 pm
HISTORY OF RUJA & ONECOIN FRAUD
What we KNOW about serial scammer/ con-artist/ gypsy thief, Ruja Ignatova:

2012
Bought a company called Waltenhoffen Gusswerks with her father and fraudulently bankrupted it shortly thereafter. [/list]
  • Fraudulent Bankruptcy: used fraud to bankrupt the company
  • Embezzling money from her own employees
  • Embezzling money from her own suppliers
  • Fraudulent Accounting Practices: "cooked the books"
  • Bank Fraud
  • Loan Fraud: She attempted to steal a number of heavy equipment from the company by unbolting it and attempting to have it shipped to Bulgaria (from Germany) to re-sell it
  • ...charged on 17 other counts of fraud


3.5 years later, in April 2016, when Onecoin was experiencing the height of its "hey-day," Ruja Ignatova and her father, Plamen Ignatov PLEAD GUILTY and were CONVICTED on 23 charges of FRAUD in German Courts
  • NOTE: She LIED to the Judge, stating that she:
  • 1.) worked as a normal housewife in Dubai with no "job"
  • 2.) lived on a modest income of 3500 euros per month
    • (meanwhile, Onecoin was pulling in as much as $40,000,000 per week during this time)

TOTAL STOLEN FROM WALTENHOFFEN EMPLOYEES AND SUPPLIERS:
approximately $1,000,000



early 2014
Joined BigCoin Ponzi scam with Sebastian Greenwood (whom she met earlier when he was scamming people with Loopium Ponzi scam), run by serial scammers John Ng and Jarle Thornsen.
  • Became the TREASURER of the company (through her company Crypto Real Investment Trust [C.R.I.T]
  • Promised large Return on Investment - it was a scam
  • Claimed that BigCoin was a "cryptocurrency" (with a real blockchain) - there was no blockchain(it was not a real crypto)
  • Promised that the company was doing an "IPO" and that investors would own shares - this was a LIE
  • HELPED THE COMPANY FLEECE $50,000,000 FROM ITS NAIVE INVESTORS
  • JUNE 2014: Took the money, ran away, and blamed someone else

TOTAL STOLEN FROM BIGCOIN VICTIMS:
approximately $50,000,000



June thru September 2014
  • Recruited professional and notorious pyramid/ ponzi scammer Nigel Allan (Brilliant Carbon Ponzi, Octa Coin scam, Crypto888 Club Ponzi ...later: Power On Network scam, Exergenis and XeCoin pyramid scheme, etc.) to be President and Co-Founder of "Trashy Coin" (had not decided upon the name "Onecoin" yet)
  • Had Sebastian Greenwood implement the CoolsDAQ database (same back-office facade they used in BigCoin) for Onecoin.
  • Exchanged multiple, now confiscated, emails with Co-Founder #2/ Master Distributor 001 (Sebastian Greenwood), later seized via subpoena by FBI and U.S. Department of Justice, which described the genesis plan for Onecoin FRAUD, as well as their exit strategy - which both executed in Fall and Winter 2017, respectively.

2015
  • JANUARY (early): Claimed that new coins were being "mined" on Onecoin blockchain (#1)
    • Ruja told Sebastian, "We are not mining, we are just telling them shit"
  • JANUARY (mid): EARLY DAMAGE CONTROL - Fired Onecoin President and Co-Founder, Nigel Allan, to mitigate the scrutiny of early "haters" because Onecoin was already gaining quick momentum, and Allan's name was already very well known for his numerous fraud scams
  • MAY: Claimed that Onecoin had "joined forces" with Aurum Gold (coin), "The first hybrid 'cryptocurrency' backed by real gold, stored in Dubai, in secret gold vaults deep under the sea."
Of course this was just more total nonsense and LIES
  • MAY (late): PAID FOR FAKE FORBES COVER - 2nd page advertisement/ propaganda in Forbes Bulgaria to recruit new victims by pretending to be a legitimate company.
  • JUNE (early): Claimed that Ruja had "Bought a Bank" and had obtained banking licenses all over the world.
  • JUNE (mid): Launched in the USA by serial scammer Glenn Smith, along with Sal Leto and Maurice Katz (serial scammer and Convicted FELON, Tom McMurrain, who spent 68 months in prison FOR PONZI FRAUD and was ordered to repay millions of dollars which he'd stolen from investors, was also brought in around this time)

2016 - PARTNERING WITH COLLAPSED PONZI SCAMS
By the beginning of 2016 about half of Onecoin’s entire network had come from their acquisitions of other failed ponzi scams, their contact information and, of course, their once broken dreams, which Onecoin promises “will make up for it this time (and finally make them rich, of course – after they “buy in” again).”

These former (and recently collapsed) Ponzi schemes, were acquired by and "partnered with" Onecoin, are well documented, and include:
  • Conligus (10,000’s of members est. – the Steinkeller brothers)
  • Univer Team (120,000 members est. – Alexandre Arenales)
  • Unaico/ SiteTalk, OPN (AKA: Opportunity Network) - over 400,000 members est. – Sebastian Greenwood (earlier), Frank Rickets, Christian Goebel, others
  • Bonofa (60,000 members – Christian Goebel)
  • BNG International (10,000’s members – John Mercucci)
  • WeShare (Crowd Funding/ Cash Gifting scam with 10,000's of members - James Hill (

Every single one of these people listed, and a great deal of other Top Leaders in Onecoin have been involved in numerous other scams, several in many cases, and for some, scamming is literally their career!


2017 to PRESENT
Far too many red flags and overwhelming fraud accounts to list here
"The network would not work with intelligent people"
- Konstantin Ignatov, reiterating what he was told by Sebastian Greenwood

TOTAL STOLEN FROM ONECOIN VICTIMS:
over $4,600,000,000 ...and still growing



...and here we remain with you lunatics calling us "paid" and "haters?!?!?" SMFH!

Care to prove any of this wrong?
@SwissAndrew - Does this look like a "legit" company running a "legit" business???
Are WE really "haters" for pointing out how a CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION runs (per above)?


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TimTayshun
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by TimTayshun » Thu May 16, 2019 2:17 am

@SwissAndrew

Is this your 1st #Cult ?

detroyer
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by detroyer » Thu May 16, 2019 3:41 am

TimTayshun wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:15 pm
@detroyer -
Yay! Now you'll learn how to do what you should've done before flushing your money down the Onecoin toilet & giving it to criminals.
Sorry to disappoint though. You're not going to find any "dirt" on us, as unlike the filthy dirty criminals you PREFER to give money to, we've never asked for any in the crypto space.
The definition of criminal that I have learned since I opened my eyes, is the one that says that the criminal is the one who is incarcerated after being tried by a guilty legal authority for the crimes that he committed, and innocent as long as the judgment is not rendered.

If I believe all that Tim tells I will say that Trump is a criminal because he is suspected by james comey ex FBI's director (sacker for doing his job) to have committed several delicts (tax leaks, proxenetism, high treason following the Russian interference in his presidential campaign of 2016), how do you accept a criminal as president, if for you it is one. :o :o :o
TimTayshun wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:15 pm
But please keep digging, you just might learn something. I want you digging, but before you go making statements of fact about someone make sure you have the facts to back it up, or at least have the decency to admit it just your opinion and not state it as fact.
I 'm not a specialist in Yankee dirt, the FBI is a specialist in this field, if it can make you happy,I hope they will ring at your door one day. ;)
EagleOne wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:54 pm
I have the certainty that you have no clue what you are talking about but is all wishful thinking and desperately wanting it to be true. If you had done any research at all, you would know what Eagle does and what you claim is your "certainty" about Eagle is wrong.
The same of Tim's speech , the scam you have been chasing for 5 years has given you the idea of ​​integrating OC, :o :o when you asked Igor to play the intermediaries of our Cryptoqueen to help him develop his company for to be able to give a better picture of her, but as Ruja has an IQ = 200 she did not even want to follow up on your request.
Eagl, in your place I would have been ashamed to attack Cryptoqueen after this story, sorry for my words sue, that you will find displaced, but at your age; I will avoid staying here.
But as I know that you are able to do everything, I know that in the morning I will find you again here. :shock:

TimTayshun
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by TimTayshun » Thu May 16, 2019 4:49 am

detroyer wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 3:41 am
destroyer stated:
The definition of criminal that I have learned since I opened my eyes, is the one that says that the criminal is the one who is incarcerated after being tried by a guilty legal authority for the crimes that he committed, and innocent as long as the judgment is not rendered.
Amazing. We all have the same access to the facts. Yet your version appears to be the polar opposite.
It's almost as if the network wouldn't work with intelligent people.

Just for fun, are you humanly capable of telling us your interpretation of what happened in this video?
VIDEO: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=c0d_1483397356

What do YOU see here?
  • did some idiot make an illegal u-turn from the "parked" position on the side of the road, across traffic, without looking?
  • was there even an automobile accident?
  • is the guy driving the camera car at fault?
  • or is the guy he hit the culprit?
  • which one is the victim?
or, in your insane mind/ indoctrinated, alternative universe of "logic" and "reasoning:"
  • no accident has occurred at all! (at least until a report has been filed and then ruled upon, by a judge)
  • IF an accident did indeed occur, which we don't know (just hater FUD), we have to wait for more evidence to be presented in court.
  • Any opinions are just the opinions of haters who WANT there to have been an accident, because they're jealous of the driver who pulled out in front of traffic.
ALSO:
  • the car which appeared to make the illegal u-turn may have started out wrong, but no one is a victim here, because both CHOSE to drive, and no damage was done, which can be proven in a court of law. *Wait and see*
  • Haters are obviously PAID to claim there was an accident!
"...but as Ruja has an IQ = 200"
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Holy crap! You're truly hopeless!
We'd have better luck attempting to reason with a pebble.

Roque
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by Roque » Thu May 16, 2019 6:30 am

I don't know about Rujas 200 IQ, but at least she was smart enough to abandon OC when the authorities started to show interest towards her "vision". Same cannot be said for some OC members. Also the most notorious MLM "industry professionals" promoting OC did the same and that should be a sign to anyone with half a brain.
IMO I don't think that Ruja's intension was to start a multi-billion scam, but to maybe scam few millions like in Bigcoin. But when the OC reached the snowball effect, there was no way to limit the amount of money pouring in. Well, we'll find out the truth when Ruja is caught and brought to trial.

Justice4all
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by Justice4all » Thu May 16, 2019 7:59 am

SwissAndrew wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 12:34 am
@justice4all
can`t you see what is going on with this deranged group of lunatics ??

every comment a normal member makes is answered by pages and pages and pages and pages...........
of already prepared cut and paste vomit - so as to clog up the forum and destroy any real dialogue by others

they do this as a group - it is all a coordinated attack, desparately trying to destroy confidence in OC

there is no doubt, OC will succeed wonderfully :D :D :D
I totally agree!

Dummis-1
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by Dummis-1 » Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 am

Nobody is trying to clog up the thread.
Every question so far has been answered, debunked, and followed with proof of how stupid your questions are, when looked at from a rational perspective.

So far we(the critic's) are the only ones that haven't gotten answers to your questions.
See Tim's questions above as an example.

Well, I'll make it easy for you, just one question:
  • Can you name one person from "corporate"?


Since you trust their unsigned news/messages you should be able to provide one name that isn't: in jail or hiding from the law, avoiding 85 years in prison.
Considering it's an "totally legit multibillion company"


Just one question, anyone of you believers are welcome to answer. It's such a simple question.

I'll help you out, ripple as has been mentioned before in this thread, has partnerships with tons of banks etc, and is an crypto currency 'company'. This is their board of directors

Iota has been mentioned in this thread also.
A crypto currency with a foundation.
Here is their board of directors

And you can find every developer, everyone connected to these two example crypto currency right there on their websites. Pictures, names, background, social media contact etc.. Nobody is afraid to have their name public.

Trueadvocate
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by Trueadvocate » Thu May 16, 2019 1:47 pm

So who's the BitCoin's

1. Owner
2. CE0
3. General Manager
4. Managers
5. Directors

This Satoshi Nakomoto .... When was the last time any of us saw him? Is he/she still alive?
No excuses whether it's a private company or any other BS excuses... We all need to know
these questions before we start talking about OneCoin's Captain etc?

CryptoXpose
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by CryptoXpose » Thu May 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Jesus, Trueadvocate, how can you still be so totally clueless after writing here for 1.5 years?

Bitcoin is an open source project, not a company, so obviously Bitcoin has none of those company positions which you listed.

Here you can see list of Bitcoin Core contributors for the development:
https://bitcoin.org/en/development#bitc ... ntributors

Trueadvocate
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Re: Real value of onecoin

Post by Trueadvocate » Thu May 16, 2019 2:15 pm

CryptoXpose wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:00 pm
Jesus, Trueadvocate, how can you still be so totally clueless after writing here for 1.5 years?

Bitcoin is an open source project, not a company, so obviously Bitcoin has none of those company positions which you listed.

Here you can see list of Bitcoin Core contributors for the development:
https://bitcoin.org/en/development#bitc ... ntributors
Bejesus, Cryptoexpose Yep Great excuse/s as usual ... keep it up!!!

- Also OneCoin is not a company ... OneLife is .... Thank you very muchie!!!

So OneCoin can run independently from all these companies positions as listed!

Yes I rest my case .....

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