USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by Abilbek » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:58 am

Pora0616 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:05 am
You are the perfect person fit for the job Igor, i wish OneCoin can just recruit you and take over... Your knowledge n expertise is what we all need... 😊
That should have been done a long time ago. They just show thumbs up from the office! So unjustified!

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by Curry Hater » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:39 am

So, in summary, although noone filed a complaint in USA, the New York County District Attorney, Mr Vance, proclaimed that « OneCoin compromises the integrity of New York’s financial system ». Therefore, and in order « to protect US markets from fraudsters », he commended US Attorney, Mr Berman, to start an investigation.

Mr Berman then praised the investigative work of an FBI agent named Ronald Shimko, who filed a complaint containing allegations that OneCoin is a scam and that Konstantin Ignatov has been promoting this scam in USA and around the planet.

The day following the press release, an e-mail address was added to the press release (for people thinking they have been victim of OneCoin), presumably with the purpose of getting people to file complaints.

So, first of all, I still don’t understand how the so-called OneCoin scam compromises the integrity of New York’s financial system. In addition, there are millions of scams all around the world, why this one in particular ?

Second, the allegations attempting to demonstrate that OneCoin is a scam are solely based on e-mails. Even the allegation of the purported absence of blockchain is only based on e-mails. There is no technical or mathematical demonstration. Moreover, you may have noticed that none of the arguments spread by Tim Curry, CryptoXpose and others all over internet during these last 4-5 years to bash OneCoin, including these last days on this forum, have been used by the FBI agent. Not even a single argument from Tim Curry’s articles was used, although he publicly claimed he had demonstrated OneCoin is a scam in these articles.
Since none of these arguments (spread by haters all these years) have been considered to be valuable by the FBI agent (in other words, he considered this is all crap), it raises high doubt as to whether these arguments are true.

Let’s now have a careful look at the e-mails.

A] The FBI agent allegates that OneCoin is a scam because Ruja Ignatova talked about an ‘exit strategy’ in an e-mail from August 2014. The first option she listed was ‘to take the money and run and blame someone else for this’.

This e-mail, although suggesting an initial bad intention, cannot be considered as an evidence for the following reasons :

1) The exit strategy mentioned by Ruja Ignatova did not happen. Nearly 5 years after writing this e-mail, Konstantin Ignatov was still leading the company. He did not take the money, run and blame someone else. If OneCoin was a scam, Konstantin should have run with the money when the German investigation started or when the number of new members decreased, or even when banks started to shut down/freeze the bank accounts owned by the company. But despite all these problems, Konstantin stayed. This is not the behavior of a scammer at all.
Therefore, this e-mail is meaningless because something that did not happen cannot be used as an evidence.

2) In addition, this e-mail was written in August 2014, while OneCoin had not been launched yet. If this e-mail (talking about an exit strategy) had been written in 2017 or 2018 (or more recently), it could then be valuable for demonstrating the recent intention of Ruja or Konstantin to escape. But the FBI agent didn’t find such recent e-mails. The fact that he didn’t find any recent e-mail demonstrates that neither Ruja, nor Greenwood, nor Konstantin ever talked about an exit strategy again.
So, the only time Ruja talked about an exit strategy was in 2014 and, while it never happened, this is supposed to be an evidence that OneCoin is scam ? Nope.

3) The word OneCoin is not even mentioned. It cannot be proven that Ruja Ignatova was talking about OneCoin anyway.


B] In an even older e-mail, in June 2014, Ruja wrote to Greewood : « Your main sales argument is: after 2 splits, a member makes out 5.000 USD 25.000 USD. You should be able to sell this… I also added an Extra Bonus for all members joining the Presales… they can do actually 3 splits. Which means that will actually have 10x their investment. 2 splits is 5x your money. So of course, everybody who is greedy will go in with 5.000 USD. »

The FBI agent claims that this e-mail demonstrates that Ruja developed OneCoin Ltd.’s unsustainable compensation structure for the purpose of enticing people to invest in OneCoin trader packages.

1) First, isn’t it strange that Ruja is talking about dollars ? We all know that the education packages will be later sold in euros and in euros only.

2) The purpose of this e-mail is unclear : making 25 000$ with 5000$ with 2 splits ?
If we use the raw amount : 5000 x 2 x 2 = 20 000, not 25 000 !!!
If tokens and coins are in the middle (which is just a hypothesis), making 25 000$ with 2 splits means the value initially obtained with 5000$ was : 25000 / 2 / 2 = 6250$. So with 5000$, one would get 6250$ worth tokens and 2 splits ?
What the hell is this ? This is not OneCoin.
Even if Ruja was talking about OneCoin, this is by far a very, very, very premature version. How can this e-mail be used as an evidence ? An evidence of what ?

3) So when the FBI agent talks about the development of an unsustainable compensation structure, which structure is he talking about ? The structure was not made yet at this time. And anyway the unsustainability of the structure, whatever it is, is not demonstrated mathematically. Shall it be true, the intention of the unsustainability is also not demonstrated.

4) In the final version of OneCoin scheme (the one we all know), the compensation structure was perfectly sustainable. Actually, it was sustainable for ever and was even generating profit. I made the calculation myself. For this purpose, I tested the pyramid in stress conditions which means when both branches were equal amount at all time and for each member. This is the worst situation for the pyramid and it is statistically close to impossible, that’s why it’s a stress condition.
I chose the 550 euros package for all members to make it simple. Here is what happens to the amount of money generated by and remaining in the pyramid (only 15 generations under the leader are shown). As you will see, the total bonus/commissions to be paid increase by a factor that is higher than the remaining pool in the pyramid. Therefore, the bonus/commissions may reach and overcome the remaining pool in the pyramid. BUT, this increasing factor slows down more rapidly with the bonus than with the remaining pool, making the pyramid scheme sustainable for ever.
This is demonstrated by the calculation of the increasing ratio (bonus vs remaining pool) which only increases between the 2nd and 3rd generation, but then constantly gradually decreases in the following generations (shown in bold).
After 15 generations, the pyramid has generated nearly 18 millions euros profit (after all the bonuses being paid). This amount would be higher in non stress conditions.

So, I’m afraid this is called a sustainable compensation structure, contrary to what claims the FBI agent. And contrary to what FBI agent claims, Ruja didn't make an intentionally unsustainable structure. Therefore, his allegation doesn’t make sense and the set forth e-mail is unrelated.

I’ll stop here for now coz I’m pretty busy. Next I will talk about the OneCoin blockchain which clearly exists.

This complaint is an empty shell only based on e-mails. I suspect the goal is to scare OneCoiners so that they file a complaint by contacting the given e-mail address. Indeed, the judge cannot do so much if nobody complained about OneCoin.

Leader :
Package 550 euros
Pool : 550 euros
Direct sales bonus : 0
Network Bonus : 0
Matching bonus : 0
Total bonus : 0
Remaining pool after bonus : 550 euros

1st generation :
Packages 550 x 2 = 1100 euros
Pool : 550 + 1100 = 1650 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 2 = 66 euros
Network Bonus : 33 euros
Matching bonus : 0
Total bonus : 99 euros
Remaining pool after bonus : 1650 – 99 = 1551 euros

2nd generation :
Packages 550 x 4 = 2200 euros
Pool : 1551 + 2200 = 3751 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 4 = 132 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 2) + [(33 x 1) x 2] = 132 euros
Matching bonus : 1.98 x 2 = 3.96 euros
Total bonus : 267.96 euros (increase by a factor 2.706666)
Remaining pool after bonus : 3751 – 267.96 = 3483.04 euros (increase by 2.2456737)
Increasing ratio : 2.706666 / 2.2456737 = 1.2052804

3rd generation :
Packages 550 x 8 = 4400 euros
Pool : 3483.04 + 4400 = 7883.04 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 8 = 264 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 4) + [(33 x 2) x 2] + [(33 x 1) x 4] = 396 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 4) + (3.96 x 2) = 15.84 euros
Total bonus : 675.84 euros (increase by 2.5221674, decrease ratio of the increase 1.073151)
Remaining pool after bonus : 7883.04 – 675.84 = 7207.2 euros (increase by 2.0692268, decrease ratio of the increase 1.0852718)
Increasing ratio : 2.5221674 / 2.0692268 = 1.2188936

4th generation :
Packages 550 x 16 = 8800 euros
Pool : 7207.2 + 8800 = 16 007.2 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 16 = 528 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 8) + [(33 x 4) x 2] + [(33 x 2) x 4] + [(33 x 1) x 8] = 1056 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 8) + (3.96 x 4) + (7.92 x 2) = 47.52 euros
Total bonus : 1631.52 euros (increase by 2.4140625)
Remaining pool after bonus : 16 007.2 – 1631.52 = 14 375.68 euros (increase by 1.9946275)
Increasing ratio : 2.4140625 / 1.9946275 = 1.2102823

5th generation :
Packages 550 x 32 = 17 600 euros
Pool : 14 375.68 + 17 600 = 31 975.68 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 32 = 1056 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 16) + [(33 x 8) x 2] + [(33 x 4) x 4] + [(33 x 2) x 8] + [(33 x 1) x 16] = 2640 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 16) + (3.96 x 8) + (7.92 x 4) + (15.84 x 2) = 126.72 euros
Total bonus : 3822.72 euros (increase by 2.343042)
Remaining pool after bonus : 31 975.68 – 3822.72 = 28 152.96 euros (increase by 1.9583741)
Increasing ratio : 2.343042 / 1.9583741 = 1.196422

6th generation :
Packages 550 x 64 = 35 200 euros
Pool : 28 152.96 + 35 200 = 63 352.96 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 64 = 2112 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 32) + [(33 x 16) x 2] + [(33 x 8) x 4] + [(33 x 4) x 8] + [(33 x 2) x 16] + [(33 x 1) x 32] = 6336 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 32) + (3.96 x 16) + (7.92 x 8) + (15.84 x 4) + (31.68 x 2) = 316.8 euros
Total bonus : 8764.8 euros (increase by 2.2928176)
Remaining pool after bonus : 63 352.96 – 8764.8 = 54 588.16 euros (increase by 1.9389847)
Increasing ratio : 2.2928176 / 1.9389847 = 1.1824835

7th generation :
Packages 550 x 128 = 70 400 euros
Pool : 54 588.16 + 70 400 = 124 988.16 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 128 = 4224 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 64) + [(33 x 32) x 2] + [(33 x 16) x 4] + [(33 x 8) x 8] + [(33 x 4) x 16] + [(33 x 2) x 32] + [(33 x 1) x 64] = 14 784 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 64) + (3.96 x 32) + (7.92 x 16) + (15.84 x 8) + (31.68 x 4) + (63.36 x 2) = 760.32 euros
Total bonus : 19 768.32 euros (increase by 2.2554079)
Remaining pool after bonus : 124 988.16 – 19 768.32 = 105 219.84 euros (increase by 1.9275212)
Increasing ratio : 2.2554079 / 1.9275212 = 1.1701079

8th generation :
Packages 550 x 256 = 140 800 euros
Pool : 105 219.84 + 140 800 = 246 019.84 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 256 = 8448 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 128) + [(33 x 64) x 2] + [(33 x 32) x 4] + [(33 x 16) x 8] + [(33 x 8) x 16] + [(33 x 4) x 32] + [(33 x 2) x 64] + [(33 x 1) x 128] = 33 792 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 128) + (3.96 x 64) + (7.92 x 32) + (15.84 x 16) + (31.68 x 8) + (63.36 x 4) + (126.72 x 2) = 1774.08 euros
Total bonus : 44 014.08 euros (increase by 2.2264957)
Remaining pool after bonus : 246 019.84 – 44 014.08 = 202 005.76 euros (increase by 1.9198447)
Increasing ratio : 2.2264957 / 1.9198447 = 1.1597269

9th generation :
Packages 550 x 512 = 281 600 euros
Pool : 202 005.76 + 281 600 = 483 605.76 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 512 = 16 896 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 256) x 9 = 76 032 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 256) x 8 = 4055.04 euros
Total bonus : 96 983.04 euros (increase by 2.2034548)
Remaining pool after bonus : 483 605.76 – 96 983.04 = 386 622.72 euros (increase by 1.9139192)
Increasing ratio : 2.2034548 / 1.9139192 = 1.1512789

10th generation :
Packages 550 x 1024 = 563 200 euros
Pool : 386 622.72 + 563 200 = 949 822.72 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 1024 = 33 792 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 512) x 10 = 168 960 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 512) x 9 = 9123.84 euros
Total bonus : 211 875.84 euros (increase by 2.1846689)
Remaining pool after bonus : 949 822.72 – 211 875.84 = 737 946.88 euros (increase by 1.9087002)
Increasing ratio : 2.1846689 / 1.9087002 = 1.1445846

11th generation :
Packages 550 x 2048 = 1 126 400 euros
Pool : 737 946.88 + 1 126 400 = 1 864 346.88 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 2048 = 67 584 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 1024) x 11 = 371 712 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 1024) x 10 = 20 275.2 euros
Total bonus : 459 571.2 euros (increase by 2.169059)
Remaining pool after bonus : 1 864 346.88 – 459 571.2 = 1 404 775.68 euros (increase by 1.9036271)
Increasing ratio : 2.169059 / 1.9036271 = 1.1394348

12th generation :
Packages 550 x 4096 = 2 252 800 euros
Pool : 1 404 775.68 + 2 252 800 = 3 657 575.68 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 4096 = 135 168 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 2048) x 12 = 811 008 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 2048) x 11 = 44 605.44 euros
Total bonus : 990 781.44 euros (increase by 2.1558823)
Remaining pool after bonus : 3 657 575.68 – 990 781.44 = 2 666 794.24 euros (increase by 1.8983773)
Increasing ratio : 2.1558823 / 1.8983773 = 1.1356447

13th generation :
Packages 550 x 8192 = 4 505 600 euros
Pool : 2 666 794.24 + 4 505 600 = 7 172 394.24 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 8192 = 270 336 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 4096) x 13 = 1 757 184 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 4096) x 12 = 97 320.96 euros
Total bonus : 2 124 840.96 euros (increase by 2.1446111)
Remaining pool after bonus : 7 172 394.24 – 2 124 840.96 = 5 047 553.28 euros (increase by 1.8927419)
Increasing ratio : 2.1446111 / 1.8927419 = 1.133071

14th generation :
Packages 550 x 16 384 = 9 011 200 euros
Pool : 5 047 553.28 + 9 011 200 = 14 058 753.28 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 16 384 = 540 672 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 8192) x 14 = 3 784 704 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 8192) x 13 = 210 862.08 euros
Total bonus : 4 536 238.08 euros (increase by 2.1348600)
Remaining pool after bonus : 14 058 753.28 – 4 536 238.08 = 9 522 515.2 euros (increase by 1.8865606)
Increasing ratio : 2.1348600 / 1.8865606 = 1.1316148

15th generation :
Packages 550 x 32 768 = 18 022 400 euros
Pool : 9 522 515.2 + 18 022 400 = 27 544 915.2 euros
Direct sales bonus : 33 x 32 768 = 1 081 344 euros
Network Bonus : (33 x 16 384) x 15 = 8 110 080 euros
Matching bonus : (1.98 x 16 384) x 14 = 454 164.48 euros
Total bonus : 9 645 588.48 euros (increase by 2.1263409)
Remaining pool after bonus : 27 544 915.2 – 9 645 588.48 = 17 899 326.72 euros (increase by 1.8796848)
Increasing ratio : 2.1263409 / 1.8796848 = 1.1312220

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by OneCoinPeet » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:50 am

Thank you CuryHater!!! Great analyses.

In a earlier message EagleOne Wrote:
EagleOne wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:47 am
It was revealed today that Ruja Ignatova was initially indicted back in October of 2017, as the DOJ had enough evidence to present their OneCoin case before a grand jury. On October 12th, 2017, a New York grand jury indicted Ruja Ignatova on:
•one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud;
•one count of wire fraud; and
•one count of money laundering conspiracy
The Indictment was sealed and just unsealed.
A superseding indictment was filed by the DOJ on February 6th, 2019, adding one count each of conspiracy to commit securities fraud and securities fraud. Link from DOJ coming soon.

This is the same time that Ruja was claimed to be out on maternity leave and left public view and has not been seen since. Later it was changed to extended maternity leave and then she had received death threats and was afraid for her life.
What surprises me then is that it surely looks like Ruja was well aware of this indictment of October 2017, that being the real reason why she disappeared form public view,. Why in gods name would Konstantine than pick up the role of new leader, knowing all these charges against his sister ? Knowing that the FBI and DOJ consider OneCoin a very big criminal financial enterprise.... It is clear as light that he would put himself in grave danger of getting into jail big time by doing that. Still, he did it. We all know that the USA can have people extradited from almost any country in the world to be prosecuted in the US and serve long jail-time sentences.

What then of-course is even more puzzling is that Konstantine in March 2019 even went to the USA. As if he was asking for the DOJ and FBI to put their next cards on the table: arrest him so that the next stage in the OneCoin games can begin!

The only way that Konstantine and Ruja can show that they are innocent of all the accusations made against them is that OneCoin keeps on working on all the project - OneCoin Ecosystem - and shows to be successful as Ruja and Konstantine have promoted from day one that it was clear OneCoin had started. (not before as you so clearly and just indicate CuryHater)

Konstantine is protecting his sister big time in this way... The court-case against him will bring all these issues up, also the points of the indictment against his sister.. When he manages to be cleared from prosecution probably also all of the points mentioned in the indictments of 2017 and 2019 against Ruja will crumble away.. That is if the ego's of the judge and prosecutors as well as the powers that rule over them don't want to lose face too much and decide to keep some of it in the judge verdict. (I see the US legal system as guilty until it proves to be innocent.. which it has not done so up to now)
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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by Igorkrnic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:58 am

Abilbek wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:58 am
Pora0616 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:05 am
You are the perfect person fit for the job Igor, i wish OneCoin can just recruit you and take over... Your knowledge n expertise is what we all need... 😊
That should have been done a long time ago. They just show thumbs up from the office! So unjustified!
No I would not be interested into something like this. I am not fit for that kind of stress nor I want to fight. I kinda lost spark for that. I did offer IT help but I was ignored and now it is too late. My people would not be interested to work for something that is officially challenged by the USA.

I urge people not to write too many of their oppinions until there is official info.

Critics, please look up to EagleOne. He does not post zillions posts and does not have the need to respond to everyone. He writes his posts well argumented and well timed.

Stop spamming please or I might lock the topic until official info is available.

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by Curry Hater » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:06 am

@OneCoinPeet

You’re welcome ! :)

I think Konstantin went to USA because he knows he can prove OneCoin is not a scam, having a blockchain and so on.

However, he probably didn’t know the existence of these old e-mails between Ruja and Greenwood, which have presumably been provided by Greenwood to the FBI agent, as a way to reduce his potential penalty.

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by OneCoinPeet » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:09 am

Spot-on!!
Curry Hater wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:06 am
@OneCoinPeet

You’re welcome ! :)

I think Konstantin went to USA because he knows he can prove OneCoin is not a scam, having a blockchain and so on.

However, he probably didn’t know the existence of these old e-mails between Ruja and Greenwood, which have presumably been provided by Greenwood to the FBI agent, as a way to reduce his potential penalty.
What remains on the table is the history with the "Fake Coins" of which Ruja then writes to Greenwood "We are fckd". Not a convincing sign of innocence . Hopefully there are many emails in which Ruja is explaining how she is mending things and making a development for the better.

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by Curry Hater » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:39 am

OneCoinPeet wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:09 am
Spot-on!!
Curry Hater wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:06 am
@OneCoinPeet

You’re welcome ! :)

I think Konstantin went to USA because he knows he can prove OneCoin is not a scam, having a blockchain and so on.

However, he probably didn’t know the existence of these old e-mails between Ruja and Greenwood, which have presumably been provided by Greenwood to the FBI agent, as a way to reduce his potential penalty.
What remains on the table is the history with the "Fake Coins" of which Ruja then writes to Greenwood "We are fckd". Not a convincing sign of innocence . Hopefully there are many emails in which Ruja is explaining how she is mending things and making a development for the better.
Yeah these e-mails are bad. But they are also good at the same time.
I reckon the problem was that the blockchain was not fast enough to mine coins for everyone. And therefore, after a massive sales of packages followed by mining, too many coins had to be mined at the same time.
I guess when she refers to fake coins, she’s talking about the coins that appeared on the backoffice while they were not mined yet.
The good part is that she knows it is an issue and she’s trying to solve it.

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by MLMgenius » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:03 pm

Curry Hater you are the best. You know more than the entire US justice system. If I were you I would send all your info to the FBI and they will have no choice but to release Konstantin and drop all chargers. Thank you for your work.

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by DelPiero » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:10 pm

flatrate wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:38 pm
DelPiero wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:12 pm
flatrate wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:48 pm


ohhh really? so, you think that supply/demand theory is applicable to bitcon and not ONE ? even though we know that 94% of bitcon ownership is literally run by a handful of people ??

bitcon is an open fraud. it would be equivalent to you having an arm wrestle with a new born baby. zero supply/demand theory with bitcon it is literally run by people who can move it up, down, and sideways any time they wish.

also, how is the constant copy/paste junk being permeated on this debate helpful? check the thread its littered with cryptox agenda.

you must be the tolerant type. i'm not when it comes to straight jacket tim curry like copy/paste.
Yes rly, its not a "speculation" our "theory" either, Supply and demand sets the value, on more our less everything in a free market, its an effect of the free market, it is not in itself something your able to "construct".
Manipulate and regulate yes, but not construct.

Dont realy se how the cryptocurrencie bitcoin is a fraud? .
if your aim is to do a "compare" bitcoin vs onecoin (theres tons of those on fb and in IMA materials) i suggest you do a onecoin vs swisscoin (ticker sic) instead, but i think its better i leave that subject, feels offtopic

Well dont answer, our answer you dont know, (explained already) then you would end up whit "spamming" instead, and noone liks a spammer :)

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yeah, best you stop there because its clear you have no concept of supply/demand. if going from 20k per con coin down to 3k con coin in a few months is not a fraud than what is ? PUMP & DUMP if you think the pump was demand and the dump was supply your lost friend.

ONE does not have a supply or a demand only ideas and concepts that have yet to be determined.

my aim if you need to know is for you and your buddy cryptox not to scam this forum again.

stick to the thread topic or start another.

now, why hasn't the DOJ formally charged konstantine yet ? do you know ? what are they waiting for ? how long can the US detain someone on alleged information that has yet to be proven in a court of law ? :mrgreen:
Well yes, supply and demand may be manipulated, pumping and dumping is one way. So we are in agreement.
supply and demand effects bitcoin, but not onecoin.
The micro part of supply and demand is easy and straightforward, the macro part of it is not. (atleast it was when i studied economics 15ish years ago)

So ONE has... Nothing? i dont agree., You dont endup whit arrests, charges and and international news coverage whit nothing.

Good luck whit that, i dont want to scam anyone. scammers are scum of the earth, they prey on the naive greedy and stupid.

Sure, ile ask you to do the same. (this thread you started)

i dont know. Better you ask DOJ yourself, im a novice at best on US criminal law, On the last queston i would say it depends on the crime, (for some reason Guantanamo came to mind)

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Re: USA vs Ignatovs - The EndGame

Post by CryptoXpose » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:43 pm

Curry Hater wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:39 am
So, in summary, although noone filed a complaint in USA, the New York County District Attorney, Mr Vance, proclaimed that « OneCoin compromises the integrity of New York’s financial system ». Therefore, and in order « to protect US markets from fraudsters », he commended US Attorney, Mr Berman, to start an investigation.

Mr Berman then praised the investigative work of an FBI agent named Ronald Shimko, who filed a complaint containing allegations that OneCoin is a scam and that Konstantin Ignatov has been promoting this scam in USA and around the planet.

So, first of all, I still don’t understand how the so-called OneCoin scam compromises the integrity of New York’s financial system. In addition, there are millions of scams all around the world, why this one in particular ?
Mr Vance was not talking only about OneCoin, but you interpreted it like he is. He is talking about pyramid schemes and frauds in general. Contrary what you write above he didn't write "OneCoin compromises.."

He wrote: "these defendants executed an old-school pyramid scheme on a new-school platform, compromising the integrity of New York’s financial system and defrauding investors out of billions."

I quote from [email protected] cause I'm lazy:
In fact, Mr. Vance means we must keep the financial industry safe from corruption.
For further help in translation, let me apply the same word usage to the last US election:
‘We must keep the Russian hackers and fake ads from compromising the integrity of our election system.’
/endquote

I know members have a big need to see all kinds of conspiracy theories. Hell, a German Onecoin promoter Martin Mayer shortly claimed that the DOJ documents are faked and served from Amsterdam IP. Maybe not everything is a big conspiracy, and maybe Wall Street doesn't even know shit about OneCoin. Think about that option for once.
I’ll stop here for now coz I’m pretty busy. Next I will talk about the OneCoin blockchain which clearly exists.
Wow, that's something nobody has been able to prove. That's gonna just add more spam which Igor said should be avoided. I believe Igor agrees that it's not possible for anybody here to prove that a legit blockchain exists, so better not even start.
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