October 8th - and after

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detroyer
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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by detroyer » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:22 am

Speculation on the stock in coins, which will be owned by investors to the 08/10/18 are large and no exact figures can be given. only OC has accurate figures and cannot be displayed for the reasons you all know. but allow me to explain my approach you will analyze and we can we close the number of one that will be placed on the exchange markets, DS and funds transfer, because the volume of coins available to the public will determine its value and we hope that this volume will not be too big.

To start consider the data disclosed by the company as the turnover realized in the € 8 billion until Dec 2017, and everyone knows that this turnover is the sale of educational packages.

2- 3500 PP = 3500 x €48890 = €171,115,000 which correspond to about 07 B One if we considere 2M One per PP.

3- revenue generated by other packages:
€(8 B - 171 M) = €7,829,000,000.
members have combined packages for ONE low price €0.5<One<€1,
so we take the average price of ONE = €0.8.
the number ONE generated by packages less than the PP is 7,829,000,000/0.8 = approximate 9 B One.

4- in this analysis we'll randomly take the number of one generated by packages.
(ultimate packs €118,000, supreme packs €188.000, Supercombo packs €229,250 approximate 1.3 B One.

5- Bonus generated on the trading account of all of the accounts onelife representing 40% of the bonus total and reinvested in the purchase of ONE or tokens is about €2 B for 200 M One calculated for an average of €10/one.

with these, we can estimate the volume of the stock of ONE who will be in the wallets of the members after 08/10/2018 : 7 + 9 + 1.3 + 0.2 = 17.5 B. on the 56 B which will be mined at 08/10/2018.

I hope that this figure will be close to reality because it wouldn't be a big volume and capitalization for the circulating coin for a price of €25 per coin would not exceed €425 billion. :D :D

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by slobodanboda » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:04 pm

I would also look on situation from another corner.
We did not calculate DS in calculation.
After 08.10. as company promised merchants will have priority for changing OC to EUR and this is correct.
I have read somewhere that now daily turnover on DS is around 7 ML EUR and we can easy say that after 08.10 should be at least 10 ML EUR daily.
So, company will obligate change to merchants at least 250 ML EUR monthly.
I hope that not complete sum will be changed but if we calculate 70% it's still huge amount.
Is somebody calculate if company can bear such a big amount monthly.
We all want that this project success but also we must talk about real problems and situations we can meet in future.
I hope that somebody has good answer.

Jurij
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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by Jurij » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:46 am

slobodanboda wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:04 pm
I would also look on situation from another corner.
We did not calculate DS in calculation.
After 08.10. as company promised merchants will have priority for changing OC to EUR and this is correct.
I have read somewhere that now daily turnover on DS is around 7 ML EUR and we can easy say that after 08.10 should be at least 10 ML EUR daily.
So, company will obligate change to merchants at least 250 ML EUR monthly.
I hope that not complete sum will be changed but if we calculate 70% it's still huge amount.
Is somebody calculate if company can bear such a big amount monthly.
We all want that this project success but also we must talk about real problems and situations we can meet in future.
I hope that somebody has good answer.
Hi, my first post..

I highly doubt that 250mil is a monthly turnover..
That means that as you calculated aprox 7-8mio/day is a turnover.. Lets asume this is true..

Where do this merchants now exchange 7mio in OC to $/€ everyday to buy new goods to sell again? Its actually 7mio minus 25% whatever is payed in eur..

After 8.10.18 if company can provide 250mil / month of fresh money to buy OC then this is a success or the company can provide money themselves from their reserves..

But keep in mind that 40% of new money coming in is the cut IMA's should get, so the company actually needs to sell for more then 400mio of education packages just to cover the merchants on a monthly bases..

These are large amounts for any company if they need to provide which is quite worrying for DS, especially when there is also a "tax" of IMA involded and also dont forget the country tax - VAT which if everything is legit needs to be payed sometime in the future.


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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by Igorkrnic » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:45 am

Jurij wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:46 am
Where do this merchants now exchange 7mio in OC to $/€ everyday to buy new goods to sell again? Its actually 7mio minus 25% whatever is payed in eur..
They don't exchange ONE yet. All deals that are sold are literally enthusiastic that ONE will succeed.
I know it is hard to grasp that a cryptocurrency that is not even publicly traded yet is already accepted worldwide at that extent, but those merchants have different eyes and are seeing huge potential for ONE in the future so they give what they can afford to give without fiat money now, just to be able to profit in the future.

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by slobodanboda » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:44 pm

Jurij wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:46 am
slobodanboda wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:04 pm
I would also look on situation from another corner.
We did not calculate DS in calculation.
After 08.10. as company promised merchants will have priority for changing OC to EUR and this is correct.
I have read somewhere that now daily turnover on DS is around 7 ML EUR and we can easy say that after 08.10 should be at least 10 ML EUR daily.
So, company will obligate change to merchants at least 250 ML EUR monthly.
I hope that not complete sum will be changed but if we calculate 70% it's still huge amount.
Is somebody calculate if company can bear such a big amount monthly.
We all want that this project success but also we must talk about real problems and situations we can meet in future.
I hope that somebody has good answer.
Hi, my first post..

I highly doubt that 250mil is a monthly turnover..
That means that as you calculated aprox 7-8mio/day is a turnover.. Lets asume this is true..

Where do this merchants now exchange 7mio in OC to $/€ everyday to buy new goods to sell again? Its actually 7mio minus 25% whatever is payed in eur..

After 8.10.18 if company can provide 250mil / month of fresh money to buy OC then this is a success or the company can provide money themselves from their reserves..

But keep in mind that 40% of new money coming in is the cut IMA's should get, so the company actually needs to sell for more then 400mio of education packages just to cover the merchants on a monthly bases..

These are large amounts for any company if they need to provide which is quite worrying for DS, especially when there is also a "tax" of IMA involded and also dont forget the country tax - VAT which if everything is legit needs to be payed sometime in the future.

J

Igor is right, this is not problem in this moment.
Now complete trading is based on enthusiasm all of us in community.
Maybe it can be strange for you (Jurij), but this is fact.
Nobody asking now change OC in FIAT and merchants just accumulate OC on their accounts and everybody sell what is inside their possibility.
Many times wrote here that this is just one kind of good advertisement because when you post deal, people from 195 countries probably will see about you. I heard from some merchants that they got incredible effect for advertising and interest, much better then pay much more expensive time on TV.
So, what we are talking here is future situation after 08.10. on open market.
We just try help company with some ideas, suggestions, opinions but I believe that people there also faced very well with those problems after 08.10 and if they succeed to make company to this level, they will know how keep it on the top.

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by detroyer » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:07 pm

Ehhhh guys, DS is still an embryo, it just starts to take shape, after the 08/10 it will be born, as for every trade it takes at least 5 years to arrive at maturity. I am confident and sure that will be a great success.
We just have to wait and help the company to inform and educate the members. We all have to accept that if we have chosen OC it is to make the one a means of payment and not to exchange it for Fiat currency. Whoever thinks he will have to exchange his stock of one on the 08/10 will have nothing to do with the concept.This will be possible after 2019 or 2020. because the secret of all success in business, it is 20% risk and 80 % of patience.

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by slobodanboda » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:52 pm

detroyer wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:07 pm
Ehhhh guys, DS is still an embryo, it just starts to take shape, after the 08/10 it will be born, as for every trade it takes at least 5 years to arrive at maturity. I am confident and sure that will be a great success.
We just have to wait and help the company to inform and educate the members. We all have to accept that if we have chosen OC it is to make the one a means of payment and not to exchange it for Fiat currency. Whoever thinks he will have to exchange his stock of one on the 08/10 will have nothing to do with the concept.This will be possible after 2019 or 2020. because the secret of all success in business, it is 20% risk and 80 % of patience.
Yea, but this is not about us, I mean old members.
I am talking about new members we need also desperate after 08.10 to develop whole system include DS.
For us, old members this is part of our life we came in and we can wait as long as necessary for our goal.
But you need to attract new members, people who did not believe or did not have courage come with us.
So, after 08.10 my opinion is that is real business, not only enthusiasm.
Like in sport, when you are young talent can win but after some time talent without hard work means nothing.
So, after 08.10 all must we well done, no excuses, no stories because new members who wants invest money want to know all details, insure their investment and expect some benefits.
After 08.10 it can't be any risk for investment or new members will not come.
This is my meaning.

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by detroyer » Thu May 10, 2018 3:34 pm

The US mobile Circle payment start-up, notably financed by Goldman Sachs, announced the acquisition of the American trading platform of Cryptocurrencies Poloniex, the fourteenth largest player on the market.
Circle buys one of Bitcoins's biggest platforms
With the acquisition of Poloniex, the American start-up specializing in money transfer hopes to become one of the giants of the cryptocurrencies market.
According to Fortune, this could reach the (325 million euros).
The purchaser, based in Boston, specialising in the transfer of money with "Circle Pay", is already active in the cryptomonnaies sector. Its "Circle Trade" trading platform, dedicated to professionals (especially investment funds), treats the equivalent of more than two billion dollars of cryptomonnaies exchange each month.
Another idea of OC funds transfer, use the cryptocurrencies for the money transfer, but we see although the delay that puts to make it happen its project, can benefit other companies like ''circle''.
The biggest problem OC so far this are not the means financial, or investigations, it is how to manage all that is too centralized in my opinion and that is negative for the completion of the project. OC must decentralise some activities and entrust them to companies specialized, as verification of the kyc/kyb, occupying IT teams, rather than develop the platforms like onetransferfunds and DS.


https://coincentral.com/goldman-sachs-f ... uyout/amp/

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by slobodanboda » Thu May 24, 2018 10:31 pm

Who can explain strange situation with DIFFICULTY INCREASE BAROMETER.
In April it was increased as hell, every day few % and in last 15 days stay on 98%.
Is this connected with DS and other business parameters or manual control.
We know that all around the world we have promotions, DS works well and what is reason so strange tempo.

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Re: October 8th - and after

Post by OneCoinTruth » Fri May 25, 2018 5:14 pm

slobodanboda wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 10:31 pm
Who can explain strange situation with DIFFICULTY INCREASE BAROMETER.
In April it was increased as hell, every day few % and in last 15 days stay on 98%.
Is this connected with DS and other business parameters or manual control.
We know that all around the world we have promotions, DS works well and what is reason so strange tempo.
My guess is the barometer will go to 100% after the extended Premium Trader promo ends in the end of this month. It's easier to market the packages when the coin price is just about to increase. Normal marketing strategy.

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